happy new year! I am really excited to start as I mean to go on and bring you the first interview of 2020 with another wonderful, inspiring and kind business owner – RC Woodmass! It’s been really great to get to know them and their work and to be involved in the digital agency they have created. Here is what we talked about:
- The story of how their digital agency Queerit came to be
- Running a feminist, anti capitalist business
- Collaborating in a way that is sustainable and fun
- Moving away from scarcity and creating new kinds of abundance
- Having a clear message and standing for what we believe in
RC Woodmass (they/them), a trained classical soprano, is a non-binary lesbian now working in tech. For the last three years they have immersed themself in the tech sector, co-leading the Montreal chapter of Lesbians Who Tech (& Allies) to be one of the most active chapters in their global network. They most recently worked as a product designer, applying their talents in speaking, writing, and design as a founding employee of diversity and inclusion startup Crescendo. They are the founder of Queerit, a social good design agency by and for queers (and those who love us). They have been called a “rising star in the queer/feminist movement” and work tirelessly for the visibility of queer and trans folks in the tech sector, as well as in society at large. They love cycling, writing poetry, gardening, and their cat, Didi.
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Hey, everyone, my name is Yarrow and you’re listening to the DIY small business podcast. Welcome back, happy new year and really excited to bring you a beautiful interview episode at RC would miss today, we talked about the digital agency called career that they founded, and about what it means to run a feminist anti capitalist business in these times in this world. And as you know, that’s one of my favourite things to talk about. See, I really hope you enjoyed that. And I hope that you are like me also excited about many more episodes with business owners who do things differently the tos one announcements for me on the 20th this month and running a free workshop on creating a business roadmap for 2020 that I’m super excited about. A big group of people have already come together, we’ll do some brainstorming, I’ll share some tools and some extra sheets that you can copy. Because my Excel sheets, let me tell you, they’re good. They’re pastel, colour coordinated. I’m gonna be running free workshops a year again, I did that in 2018. And the last year kind of need a little bit of break. But I really feel re energised. To work with bigger groups of people again. And so yeah, stay tuned for that subscribe to my newsletter if you want to hear about all of them. And for now, you can sign up for the one that’s coming up mid 20th through the link in my profile. And there’s also a few more days of enrollment for the DIY business community. It is opening quarterly now. So the next time will be April. And I’ve changed things a little bit am enrolling people with a one on one session with me now so that we can really map out what you need from this programme, what your next steps are, and what the year ahead looks like for you and your business. So there’s two more spots, and they cost $300 or three payments of $100, which includes a year of membership in the community, including the course, multi group coaching with a themed workshops, all kinds of good stuff. So you can also check that out in the link in the profile. Okay, have a really beautiful day and enjoy listening. Hello, everyone, I am so excited to start another interview on a giggle as you know that it’s become a little bit of a tradition. And I think it’s working really well. At least for myself. Anyway, my friends, I’m excited to talk to her as he would lend. Oh, no. You didn’t what I was totally in. I was thinking a lot about what sorry. And I will totally leave this in recording if that’s okay for you. And I will let you introduce us in a second anyway. But they are studying a beautiful company called create. And I’ve only got to know a little bit of their work in the last few weeks and already feel such a sense of solidarity and excitement about what they’re doing in the wild. Because as you know, obviously if you’re listening to this, I’m also a tech person who’s navigating the wild world in some way trying to make a living that feels good and fun. And that’s what we’re here to talk about today as he shares similar values with me around. Yeah, trading with other people and I really kind transparent way. And I’m so excited to hear more about that. So thank you so so much for being here. Sorry that I already called you what live?
here Oh yeah, it’s good to be here. I I’m not against being called woodland actually. It’s a first for me, and it makes me feel like Elvish or something.
That’s really I’m so surprised that that’s the first I feel like that makes so much sense all the best people within people. Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you so much for your flexibility. I would love to start with interview by asking you where you are in the world and what nature is like around us. I always feel like, you know, we were talking across time and space. And it’s nice for people to get a chance to kind of visualise how this interview came to be.
Yeah, so I’m located in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, which is actually traditionally called Joe jacket. So it’s the land of the gun. It’s Gagnon. Ganga is the name of the land. And so we I don’t know if this is really a thing in other parts of the world. I hope it is. But we definitely try to kind of acknowledge whose land we’re on because I’m a settler, on land of indigenous folks in this area, and so it’s really important to me to try as best I can to build relations. ships with indigenous people in ways that feel good for them and, you know, give back maybe even give reparations, you know, through my business. Because Yeah, we’re on we’re on this land that’s been cared for by others, and my ancestors took it violently, you know, not my direct ancestors. But you know, in terms of being a white settler my ancestors did. So, yeah, that’s where I’m living and the nature around. Well, right now, it’s November. And that means we’re going into winter. So there’s snow on the ground right now, but it’s not too cold. Usually it gets cold, like in January. And there are a lot of trees. It’s kind of a hilly region, I, if you look around the city, you can see like small mountains, like the beginning of mountain ranges, kind of from a distance, and there’s no leaves on the trees, and it’s all grey today. And so it feels very cosy. We were talking before we started recording about how we like winter, and being cosy and being able to be inside with no pressure to go outside and have a lot of energy.
That’s also beautiful. Thank you for sharing. So we sad to see now in a way, I would love to hear a little bit more about the work that you’re doing. And the background that you have with that, which is I already know really interesting, but the others don’t. So yeah, as much as you would like to share.
Yeah, so my project name is clear it and it’s queer, feminist, anti capitalist, a digital agency. And so basically, I used to be a freelancer. So I used to build websites for clients. And that was great. It helped me get out of my nine to five. You know, it helped me have more flexibility and a time when I was really struggling with my mental health and dealing with a lot of past trauma. And then it just, it became kind of lonely, and unmanageable, like it just felt like a lot, I was having to turn down clients, I just felt really, really alone. And so and I was also really passionate, and still I’m really passionate about social justice, and trying to get kind of resources into queer and trans communities and other underrepresented communities. So I decided that I would expand my practice into an agency. So now we have almost 200, queer and trans people and other underrepresented people on our roster, who we contract on a regular basis to do work for clients that come our way. And it’s still just me running the business. But, um, hopefully in the next year or two, that’ll change. But I’m not alone anymore in that there. There are other people working on projects, we can support each other. And I’m constantly trying to like, raise prices in a way that’s ethical, and for the reason not the reason of necessarily making more profit. But for the reason of being able to displace more financial resources into underrepresented communities.
Hmm, yes, that is so beautiful. Yeah, I was just sitting here listening, having my heart feel warm and fuzzy and fight. That was great. Yeah, well, and I didn’t I didn’t mention that we do. Like what we actually do so digitally. It’s hard because, you know, I used to say web design and development, but we do much more than that. And, and, you know, it’s hard sometimes to define what a project or what a business actually does, in a way that succinct, because I think as, especially as people that have branched out from kind of the traditional traditional employment and are trying to leverage your own skills to, you know, be able to live a bit of a different kind of lifestyle and maybe start something new, we do a lot like we’re often multi talented. And we don’t want to limit ourselves by naming our business something that that like is too specific, right. So that’s a struggle for me for sure. But we do web design development, obviously. And then we also have people on the roster that do SEO, copywriting graphic design. You know, like workflows, like helping people with their workflow, in their business, social media. Really, there’s There’s a lot of talent on the roster. So it’s, it’s good to note that too. Yeah, that’s so great. And I really love the group energy of it the way that you have set this up, I feel feels very non competitive and warm and inviting. And I think just any experience where we work alongside each other, really supporting each other, understanding each other’s strengths and differences, and just coming from a place of wanting to see each other win is so healing in itself, right?
Yeah, definitely, that’s definitely something that I wanted to get rid of. Not that it existed really ever, but that I didn’t want in my business, because that’s part of one. That’s one of the negative sort of things that comes from capitalism and being an anti capitalist business, at least trying to undermine capitalism in the business. I try to kind of really locate those ways in which capitalism can be harmful and try to mitigate those as much as possible. So for example, sometimes people think that queer is just a directory, so it’s just a place where clients can go in and search for for the people that they want to work with. But that would actually mean that folks are not necessarily matched with the right person, and they have to compete with each other to get gigs. And that’s not that’s not what I wanted. I wanted, you know, to create a real community and be able to, like, provide a provide support, real support, which, which means that we need to be paid for that support also. Yes.
it’s it is really a very nice group of people.
Yeah, cool. And I would also love to hear a little bit more about, like, what kind of things or people or organisations or ideas are you excited about working around at the moment? Oh, well,
I’m not sure how much I should say in terms of which clients are, like, you know, in the pipeline, like about to sign a contract. But, um, but I really, I love it when organisations or people or whoever, when clients come to us, and they come to us because of our values, because they resonate with
queer, feminist, anti capitalist values that we have. And actually, we’re very lucky because if you visit us online, at our website, or you can find us on social media at queer it co all one word, you can check us out on our branding is very strong. It puts the queer feminist anti capitalist thing really to the fore. And so our clients find us and want to work with us because of that, which I just I feel so lucky that kind of, to have found this what feels like a magic formula to find all the best people on the internet. Um, yeah, we get, we get all sorts of folks, we get individuals, sort of artists, or entrepreneurs, lawyers, we’ve done a few lawyers and journalists, with their websites or their social media, we get a lot of nonprofits interested in working with us. So people that serve underrepresented communities. And so their mission is not on is is to serve those communities. But then that also translates into them wanting to hire people from those communities to to work on their messaging, which I think is so important. So we get Yeah, a lot of nonprofits that work with queer folks. We did the website for the Quebec lesbian network, for example. So it’s just it’s really fantastic. Just the I was approaching, as I was figuring out our messaging for queer it, I definitely had a sense of sort of scarcity. Like, if I am too specific about what we do and who we serve, that it’ll limit the amount of people that will want to work with us. I definitely think that because our messaging is so strong, and we actually stand for something that that that helps us be able to work with, with the folks that we want to work with. And you know what, there’s plenty there, there’s plenty to go around. There are plenty of books that resonate with our message. And so I’m just glad that I was able to have the courage to put that out there and test and see how the response would be and the responses being just really overwhelming. But At the same time, it’s not only a message, it’s also a practice.
In that sense, it’s
not just marketing. So
that helps as well.
I always love, thank you for sharing that makes so much sense. And I love I love your branding. And I also think it’s strong. And it reminds me of like how I think about gender also as three dimensional, you know, like, can be a lot, and it can sometimes be very little. And I think that’s true for for branding as well. And, and I also really resonate with what you said about having a strong message and standing for something. I think that in the beginning, owning that and finding one’s knees is really such a courageous thing. Because I know for myself, I’m in my fifth year now. And the first three years, I was just saying yes to everything, all the time, and then sometimes getting resentful, overwhelmed. And I just couldn’t, like I just needed a lot of time to sink into trusting that being myself on the internet, and being very clear about the kind of work that I want to do is safe, and I will still have enough work and that that’s okay. And you know, like, some people will like it and pass it on. And I think that’s the other thing as well, like, I’m seeing so much that word of mouth is just becoming so so important. And, or isn’t just becoming this, you know, but anyway, I left social media in the summer. And I think I was really asking myself where my clients actually coming from and what got me excited in my work. And it’s it’s usually recommendations, isn’t it and having a strong brand, I think really helps people recognise and remember you. And if you have a very clear message that speaks specifically to where people are, then they’re so likely to pass your details on. And that feels really great. So
yeah, absolutely being yourself on the internet.
It’s funny, I
actually also personally, I left Facebook, and I have like something like 3000 friends, which in my world is quite a few. For someone that’s not a celebrity, you know. But I definitely left Facebook. And I did experience a dry spell in the business for a while because I was using that to get to get gigs and to stay top of mind. And it’s scary. It’s so scary. But ultimately, it wasn’t sustainable for me to continue to do that. Right. Yeah. It wasn’t healthy for me to be on Facebook. So if I’m not healthy, my business can’t continue.
Can you tell us a little bit more also about lesbians who tech? For sure. Yeah,
I actually. So disclaimer, I don’t work with lesbians who tech anymore. But it’s a wonderful organisation. And I did work with them for for several years for almost three years. So lesbians who tech, it’s a global network of queer women and gender queer folks. And it’s, they put on like conferences, and they also have local chapters. So if you wanted to start a local chapter of lesbians who tech, wherever you are, you can contact them, and they’ll support you and being able to set that up. And my work with lesbians who tech, I was in a, on a really amazing team. I was a co director with an amazing woman named Russia’s on PA. And I encourage you to look her up. Also, she’s doing incredible work. She is an advocate for women and lesbians in tech, especially around Montreal, so she’s awesome. And the rest of the team and so we grew. At one point, we were the largest, strongest chapter in the global network, which is really amazing. And it’s, you know, it was a way for me to be able to connect my queer identity with my work, and connect to other people who were looking to do more than just work. So they wanted to make a real difference with the work that we’re doing in tech. And so it’s, it’s just a really amazing network to meet people. And whether it’s lesbians who to attack or if you’re starting your own thing, or you just go to meetups, it’s just it was really healing I think to be able to connect with people who believe the same things that I did, or at least wanted to make a difference in their own way. It just helped to build up like hope and you know, connection in a A world where it’s easy to just sit behind your computer. And not, you know, in person, meeting people in person is really lovely. And it can sometimes be scary for me and I know for others, but I put myself out there for three years. And, you know, with specifically with lesbians who tech, and it just, it was amazing. It’s amazing to build an in person community.
Yeah, that’s so true. I’m really excited to get into that too. In Scotland, I only moved here in the summer. I had been living on and off in Brighton before that for eight years, and I recognise now restrospective feed, I was never invested enough to really build a no call network beyond my close friendships there because it was so expensive to live there. And I always knew I might not be able to stay as long as I wanted to, and that I am in Scotland, and everything feels possible. And I’m like, Yay, I might leave my bath. This is so exciting. It is exciting. I would love to know a little bit more also about your vision for current career it. What do you would like to see happen in 2020? And like, what is your long term plan?
Yes. I’m clear it. It’s funny, because so a big theme in my sort of currently, what I’m passionate about is capitalism and anti capitalism. And I’ve struggled a lot. In the last, let’s say, you know, four, three to four years, with wanting to make money, and not like wanting to be a billionaire, but even just wanting to make enough money to not only live, you know, pay my rent, and buy groceries, maybe take some time off, or even if the Kaitlyn goes somewhere once in a while. Last one,
And then also to save for retirement or, or like, you know, gasp, give to like people’s trans crowd funds and like, give money to like people that need it, you know. And so I’ve really struggled, because I definitely have I mentioned before, I have, like a scarcity mindset when it comes to resources. And it takes a lot of work to kind of undo that. So I’ve started to try, really try to have big goals for the business. And I think it helps that I’m not, you know, when the business grows, the amount of money that we can pass on to underrepresented groups also grows. And I’m a part of those underrepresented groups. So I deserve that too. Right. And, and so that’s like my caveat. But basically, we just yesterday reached our revenue goal for 2019.
which was $30,000. Canadian. So that’s not very much, but our business was, that’s not very much for us. But our business was really treading water because I had a job. So I kind of I tried to just set a really reasonable goals so that I wouldn’t burn out. Yeah, and then our goals for 20. Our goal for 2020 is massive, because I we just got a government grant to pay for my salary this year. So I’ll be able to work full time on the business, which is really great, without worrying about, you know, without worrying about depending on the business, in order to pay my bills. And so our revenue goal for 2020 is $200,000.
Oh, I know.
That’s exciting. Because if we are if we manage to hit that, by the end of the year, the business will be able to pay a basic salary for me. And so that’s a big part of, you know, what, what our kind of short, shorter term goals are in the business. And also, I mean, think about so percentage wise, I’m sharing all these numbers, because I think it’s helpful when business owners actually talk about numbers and the amount of money they’re making. We need to normalise that sort of transparency. You know, that’s something about capitalism that, you know, to kind of give the impression that you’re like, richer than you are or to hide things or to you know, to be afraid to say the numbers because someone might judge me, is something that I’m trying to like combat. So we give 20 75% of what the client pays To our collaborators or contractors on the roster, so whatever 75% is $150,000 is 75% of 200,000. And so that’ll be $150,000 that we’re paying out to queer and trans folks, and other underrepresented folks in 2020, which is so exciting to me. It’s so exciting. And we give 5% of that as reparations to various indigenous folks and organisations in Montreal. And so whatever the 5% is, I really don’t know.
10,000 is it? No, is it I don’t know. Anyway. So whatever the amount is 5% of 200,000 is the amount that we’ll be able to give in reparations. So anyway, that’s like some of the income goals.
In terms of
business structure and operations and all of that. My goal is to be able to give work to anyone on the roster, who wants to be working at any given time, by the end of the year. So right now, we have 200, almost 200 people on the roster, but we don’t have enough clients to actually give everyone work, which I’ve been very clear about to the people on the roster, but I just really wish that I could give them work. So that’s another goal that I have personally, I’m also actively exploring different business structures and business models that are the kind of the most likely to I guess, like, I’m exploring how to innovate in my business structure to get as far as far from capitalism as I can.
Yeah. And that’s scary, because I like being in charge. I like being in control. And a lot of what capitalism does is it puts one person or like, one small group of people in control of, you know, everything for everyone else, right? And, like the 1%, versus the 99%, or the, you know, bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, or like the worker, you know, and so it’s, it’s scary for me, it is, we all kind of have, well, I’m gonna say we all I think most folks in this day and age that are probably listening to this podcast, are we, we’ve internalised certain elements of capitalism, because it’s all we’ve ever known. And perfectionism, and wanting to be in control is one way that I’ve, you know, I’ve been able to survive so far in capitalism, you know, but it’s time for me to start trying to kind of unravel that, and undo that and place more faith and more trust in the collective in the communities that I’m working with. And trust that there will be enough for me trust that, that I will be cared for. And so yeah, subverting capitalism is not for the week. But I really want to I really, it’s like, maybe I need like therapy. I mean, I’m in therapy,
like business therapy, or so capitalism therapy or something, because it’s really, I think that’ll be a lot of the work that I do on kind of a personal level in my business this year.
Yes, yes to all of this. Thank you so much for sharing, I want to circle back on a few things. First of all, I love that you shared some of your numbers. And I totally agree that that’s really important. We need to undo, and shame that. And we also need to just kind of talk about it so that people get a chance to educate themselves from different angles. Because I think when I speak to people and support them around their pricing, there’s so much to untangle. I always find that actually, we don’t need to learn new stuff. We just need to unlearn the old stuff. And we need practical examples of how this can work. And we need to remember that there’s just so much more that goes into an hourly rate for example, then what you think you should make an hour compared to someone who’s an employment that Yeah, I think that’s such a big stumbling block. Isn’t that and then the other piece I wanted to circle back to the that yeah, it is so so scary. I I really feel that too. And I would, for example, really love to work in a collective and theory. But when I’ve been confronted in my life with opportunities to really organise my work in a collective other people, I’ve always felt some hesitation and some fear coming up. And sometimes it’s been beautiful. And you know, I really do love collaborating with people. And I intend to do more and more of that work. Because it is so expensive to challenge and unlearn those things. And I also know that I’m really not there yet to place the responsibility or the responsibility rather for my livelihood into the care of a group and to trust that dynamic because it is so complex, and we all have so little experience really with other modules, but I’m just also really excited to see more and more people reaching for it and talking about itself. That’s great.
Yeah, that’s so real. It’s, it’s all the things that I really think that the personal isn’t just personal. You know, obviously, the personal is political and all that we know that phrase, but I think that business, even just the concept of the business, being separate from community, or somehow outside of community, I think is a fallacy. You know, like, for example, you know, in, in the me to era, quote,
you know, hashtag Me too. It’s, it’s interesting to see how companies are dealing with things that are, in the end, even if they happened at work, they’re very, very personal to the people involved. And I’m really interested in exploring that as well. And how sort of a transformative restorative justice process might be applied to dealing with the personal in a business context, right? Because everyone has done harm, right? Everyone is, has done things that make them untrustworthy, right, or perceived, they could be perceived to be untrustworthy. And I’m a survivor of, of, you know, sexual assault and trauma. And, you know, and so coming from that, and I’m sure I’ve done harm to others, as well. And I explore that, and, you know, I have my own ways of kind of seeking accountability and making amends and all of that, but it’s in a business setting, what happens when that comes up, you know, do we just fire the person and make someone else deal with the problem, you know, is isolation of this of perpetrator of harm, really the way to go? You know? And, you know, anyway, it’s a really interesting thing that I’m thinking about, because I’m writing my employee handbook. And, you know, there’s been, I know that some people on the roster have done harm to others, you know, this. I mean, we all have, but I know sort of specific examples, and how do I protect as a business owner? How do I protect victims of this or enable victims of people that have caused harm to feel safe, without completely cutting the the perpetrators of harm off from their community, with queer and trans people, community is so important, you know, and so queer, it can do more and your business to like anybody who has a business can can set examples for the larger corporations, you know, for how to how to deal with issues of capitalism, issues of harm, like really big economic and social issues. And we can set an example. And I’m just so inspired by small business owners and their capability to actually test out these things, and set examples for larger companies. I really think that’s the future.
Yes, me too. Thank you for being brave and touching on that complexity. I very excited to see that unfolding, too. And I also don’t have any answers, but I think it’s so important to ask the questions, and yeah, keep at it. So well done. That’s great. Yeah. I’m sorry. It’s very difficult. Yes. And talking about discomfort, what is your relationship to social media like at the moment? or How are you kind of getting people excited are bringing in contracts? And
yeah, um, well, my it’s funny, I have a real love hate relationship with social media personally. And right now I manage our social media account for queer it. And I’m always like, oh, Facebook is terrible. I should just like delete us off of Facebook. But right now, my kind of approach to social media is that if people are there that want to work with us, our our the work that we’re doing, and the connection that that is made on social media. For us right now is more important than kind of being I don’t know, then leaving the social media because it doesn’t match up with our principles. So I’ve decided to prioritise that connection that happens on social media. But I also know that like, you know, I know that Yarrow, you’re not on social media. And I also think that that’s a completely valid and like, effective way of dealing with what’s going on and the big kind of social media corporations right now. But, um,
I mean, we I use recur post, a tool that helps me build up a library of, of posts, so we don’t have to write new stuff all the time. And it schedules things out. So that’s called recur post. And so that’s I spend maybe an hour two, loading up kind of like the recur post feed, in advance, and then just make sure that things are I usually go in about once a day to engage with folks that have commented or liked or messaged me or whatever. It takes a lot of time, like social media is not cheap. Free, but it’s not cheap. You know,
that is such a good point. I always hear people say, but it’s free marketing. And I’m like, my friend, it does cost you a lot of time with fhv. That might not be true. And like, I love that you pour it somewhat, or may really make the connection a priority, because I think that is that’s just the most meaningful way of being but what is right, I think people are they’re looking for each other. And if you have the bandwidth to really be present and be intentional with how you spend your time, then that’s so beautiful. I just didn’t, I just couldn’t do it. Yeah. totally valid. Yeah,
there have been times I mean, I’m, I’m a human being, you know, I’m not. I’m not always consistent. Sometimes I won’t fill up my recur post with my posts, and then there’s no posts for a while. But you know what, that’s okay. Like that is it has to be okay.
I don’t know, I’m just, I’m more and more just really about transparency in my business. And if you see, you know, I don’t want people to think that I am one person, that I’m actually a team of 10 people that’s keeping up this absolutely perfect. You know, like, profile on social media, you know, like, I do everything I do the sales, I hire people, I interview people, I make connections, I do the social media,
a lot of work. Yeah,
so yeah, so it’s okay, if an Instagram post doesn’t go out, you know, if I do something, it’s positive. If I don’t do something, it’s completely neutral.
Yes, I love that approach. I hope people can you really hear that and take that in? Is there anything else you would like to say before we go?
Oh, my goodness, um, anything else that I want to share? You know, I do want to share that I think, I think for your listeners, for anyone listening to this right now that whatever you’re doing is enough. And you know, that, that if you you know, we self criticise so much I know I do. I really criticise myself and the more I’m in business, the more I realised that. So my self criticism often manifests in the form of procrastination. And I’m like, I can’t do this or it’s been so long, if I respond to this email, they’ll, they’ll realise how long it’s been and, you know, on failure and all this, but that’s just in my head, and I actually am starting to truly internalise that, it’s okay, like, it’s okay to not be perfect. And it’s okay. To be only one person, you don’t have to be a super person, you can just be you. And transparency and communication with clients or with whoever, you know, sooner rather than later. You know, to say, Oh, I’m going through something with my mental health, I won’t be able to respond to this for a month is better than just sitting with it and avoiding it and thinking about it every day anyway. And you know, it happens and that’s okay. Like it’s really okay to not be perfect.
Yes, I know so many people listening will really appreciate hearing that. So thank you so much. I also would love to hear where people They can find you and how they can work with you. Absolutely. So
our website is clear it.co. So not com, but co query Co. From there you can find, of course, links to social media and all of that. on social media, if you just search queer it, you’ll find us. And our handle everywhere is queer at Ko. And on our website, you’ll find all sorts of lovely things, including a more extensive land acknowledgement. And you can find our some basic pricing, you can find some profiles of the people that we’re working with right now. You can find our values and you can click on any of the buttons on our website, and it’ll bring you to be able to book a call with me. And so that I would love to speak to you and if you are someone that’s looking for more contracts to do as a freelance, anything, freelance web developer designer, WordPress, space, social media, we’re always looking for really good folks that are underrepresented in some way. And so if you go to our website, you will also find links to start your applicant the application process to join our roster. And you can be anywhere in the world if you if you’d like to join us. That’s no problem.
Yeah, I think that’s it. Yeah.
We’re especially active on Instagram. So go on Instagram. That’s a really good place to find us.
Awesome. Oh, thank you so much for your time and everything that you shared for the work that you’re doing. And yeah, for the wisdom. I’m really excited to share this and really appreciate talking to you in Kingdom lunch.
euro. Thank you for having me and for your work and your beautiful energy and spirit. Thank you.